WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:21.780 Chelsea King: Okay Hello everybody, thank you for being here and i'm going to call the meeting to order for the school board of directors to have an update on district and lander property appraisal may or may not take action today miss Douglas will you please call roll. 2 00:00:22.470 --> 00:00:27.150 Kelly Douglas: Certainly Chelsea King here Kelly slip. 3 00:00:27.810 --> 00:00:30.090 Kelly Douglas: Here Christie Thompson. 4 00:00:30.210 --> 00:00:32.190 Kelly Douglas: Here kitchen way. 5 00:00:32.790 --> 00:00:34.350 Kelly Douglas: Here, thank you. 6 00:00:35.160 --> 00:00:41.340 Chelsea King: Okay, great Thank you and pad how about if I hand it over to and we'll get an update. 7 00:00:42.090 --> 00:00:51.960 Pat McGough: Thank you, Dr King Thank you board members want to provide the board with an update regarding the potential sale up and winter field to the city of West Liam. 8 00:00:53.160 --> 00:01:03.210 Pat McGough: The district has concerns about how specific conditions and actions regarding the appraisal of the opposite land or property have been presented publicly. 9 00:01:04.440 --> 00:01:16.830 Pat McGough: After the city staff indicated to the district that they did not have available funding or interest in purchasing opposite lender property as a park in February of 2021. 10 00:01:17.910 --> 00:01:28.710 Pat McGough: The district proceeded with a fair market appraised value appraisal which place the appraised value at $6.5 million in April 2021. 11 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:37.410 Pat McGough: The districts position was that if the property would not be retained as a park the property should be offered on the open market. 12 00:01:38.070 --> 00:01:49.920 Pat McGough: At its highest and best value to the district, the district began to receive offers for purchases from several with several far exceeding the appraisal. 13 00:01:50.490 --> 00:01:58.770 Pat McGough: Once this became known the city of Westland returned to the desperate within interested in purchasing the property as a park. 14 00:01:59.430 --> 00:02:07.320 Pat McGough: The district in response to the Community and as a goodwill gesture to the city halted the sale process and re engage. 15 00:02:08.040 --> 00:02:24.930 Pat McGough: The city in the district use the APR appraisal, is a good faith agreement on what draft into a letter of intent, a purchase and sale is a sale agreement and a survey to the Community leading up to a ballot measure for May of 2022. 16 00:02:26.130 --> 00:02:32.430 Pat McGough: Following public feedback for up and land or to be retained as apart the city asked the district for. 17 00:02:32.940 --> 00:02:40.710 Pat McGough: permission to use the language and the purchase and sales agreement to designate the property under the city Charter as a park. 18 00:02:41.430 --> 00:02:49.980 Pat McGough: Once again, in good faith and trust in the city's intention, the district was agreeable to do so, an authorized the attorneys to as such. 19 00:02:50.610 --> 00:03:02.010 Pat McGough: And no time that city staff has disclosed to the district that they would accept quote park value and quote as a methodology for the appraisal based on this designation. 20 00:03:02.670 --> 00:03:09.900 Pat McGough: The city continue to reference fair market value as terms for the appraisal and in conversations with the district. 21 00:03:10.470 --> 00:03:29.190 Pat McGough: Is the belief of the district that to use any other methodology, other than a fair market value of uses permitted currently under city code would be disingenuous at best and not what was outlined in the letter of 10 PSA or what was talked about any conversation with the city. 22 00:03:30.630 --> 00:03:43.380 Pat McGough: In the last update I provided I outlined the narrative that informed the city council in the Community, that the district had rejected the appraisal methodology performed by romanov evaluation services llc. 23 00:03:44.370 --> 00:03:56.250 Pat McGough: Based on the methodology used under a quote hypothetical condition the primary rationale for the use of the hypothetical condition condition methodology. 24 00:03:56.820 --> 00:04:11.940 Pat McGough: was based on the condition identified in the purchase and sales agreement required the city requiring the city to cause this land to be placed under city check charter chapter 11 designation. 25 00:04:12.870 --> 00:04:23.130 Pat McGough: The appraisal assumes the value of the land cannot be based on fair market value under permitted uses by city code today that simply is not true. 26 00:04:23.910 --> 00:04:35.250 Pat McGough: The value of the property can change with the approval of the voters speculation that a change in US would never be approved by the voters is just that it's speculation. 27 00:04:35.820 --> 00:04:45.750 Pat McGough: The sale of sunset park property to the district demonstrates that voters can and will allow the sale to park property at fair market value. 28 00:04:46.950 --> 00:04:57.300 Pat McGough: The City Council held a virtual meeting on February 7 2022 at 5pm the potential purchase of the sale of open land was placed on the agenda. 29 00:04:58.380 --> 00:05:08.610 Pat McGough: The discussion began with a city staff report and the city's legal counsel giving the Council an overview of the process and legal options available. 30 00:05:09.300 --> 00:05:20.550 Pat McGough: During the meeting each counselor made statements regarding their preferred preferred course of action, no consensus appeared to emerge from this meeting. 31 00:05:21.510 --> 00:05:29.640 Pat McGough: Council then requested that city staff, propose a meeting with an appointed counselor city staff their legal team. 32 00:05:30.330 --> 00:05:34.740 Pat McGough: And with a designated board member district staff and our legal counsel. 33 00:05:35.580 --> 00:05:53.070 Pat McGough: The the board preferred that all compensations regarded that negotiated sale of up and lander at this time, be held in public be given the public's interest in the potential for misinformation when relate between multiple members of either party. 34 00:05:54.090 --> 00:06:03.990 Pat McGough: One concern specifically raised during the meeting was the designation of the property as a city park quote in perpetuity. 35 00:06:04.890 --> 00:06:13.500 Pat McGough: While the term in perpetuity is never used in the PSA it could be inferred by the members of the public that that designation. 36 00:06:14.220 --> 00:06:36.480 Pat McGough: Of the property under city as a city park under city charter chapter 11 could be permanent, which is not true, the city could sell the property under city charter through a pro approval by the voters again this is how the district purchased the portion of sunset park in 2011. 37 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:45.720 Pat McGough: During prior conversations with city staff there have been suggestions that if we did designation were removed as a condition. 38 00:06:46.320 --> 00:06:59.160 Pat McGough: The city would be open to modifying the psat refined agreement remember the reference to the city Charter and the PSA was the city's chosen solution to satisfy the district's condition. 39 00:06:59.670 --> 00:07:11.340 Pat McGough: And plate and publix insistence that the POP property remain a park and condition known to the city when they entered into the very first discussion about the purchase. 40 00:07:12.300 --> 00:07:31.410 Pat McGough: As their legal counsel reminded city council and february's in their February 7 meeting the PSA can be modified by mutual consent to demonstrate good faith, the board can offer to remove the designation of the property as a city part from the PSA. 41 00:07:32.670 --> 00:07:50.790 Pat McGough: Without that perceived limitation the hypothetical condition, no longer exists and the Roman it valuation services appraisal would need to be updated that update can be satisfied by jointly agreeing to the appraisal completed in April 2021. 42 00:07:52.440 --> 00:08:01.230 Pat McGough: Given that the deadlines for the decision to place this issue before the voters, there are two viable options that are we, we are bringing before you. 43 00:08:01.980 --> 00:08:14.580 Pat McGough: In the form of two separate resolutions option A is to formally offered the city council to modify the PSA that removes the designation as a city park. 44 00:08:15.390 --> 00:08:26.340 Pat McGough: If Council agrees to open the PSA to this modification the purchase price could could be established by the rp Herman appraisal performed in April. 45 00:08:26.790 --> 00:08:37.980 Pat McGough: 2021 that places the appraised value of the property at $6.5 million the smile has been used in all discussions between both parties and. 46 00:08:38.520 --> 00:08:50.550 Pat McGough: The Community in conversations and public outreach the district will rely on the westling community to determine the present and future use of the property. 47 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:58.470 Pat McGough: Option B, would be to delay the placement of the sale of this bond proposal until November. 48 00:09:00.660 --> 00:09:11.070 Pat McGough: This option would allow the city and the district, to continue to negotiate modifications of this agreement without the impending timeline of the may ballot. 49 00:09:12.540 --> 00:09:19.740 Pat McGough: Both options or further examples of the district good faith effort to pursue an agreement statements that the desert. 50 00:09:20.370 --> 00:09:35.430 Pat McGough: operated in error made mistakes are simply not true, the district continues to work diligently to reach an agreement that reflects the understanding of the parties, which is documented and further evidence in public meetings and statements. 51 00:09:36.450 --> 00:09:48.030 Pat McGough: fail to reach a resolution on the matter, makes it likely, the parties will entered litigation we anticipate that the city has a legal team prepared to litigate. 52 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:55.440 Pat McGough: The PSA and the district does as well, both are highly confident, they would quote when. 53 00:09:56.190 --> 00:10:06.150 Pat McGough: If this goes to court, but we're also understand that the city district and community would lose if litigation results due to failure, due to a failure. 54 00:10:06.870 --> 00:10:19.080 Pat McGough: by the parties to pursue pursue a good faith solution at this time, the options are still open to find an agreement that serves the Community and. 55 00:10:19.530 --> 00:10:36.090 Pat McGough: is acceptable to both the city and the district and that's the conclusion of my report and i'm available to take any questions, we do also have this route to legal counsel James Walker available. 56 00:10:39.780 --> 00:10:49.770 Chelsea King: All right, thank you, Mr garth and I the legal counsel this present and, if it comes up as he available to answer questions or simply to observe. 57 00:10:49.800 --> 00:10:50.730 Chelsea King: Yes, yeah. 58 00:10:50.790 --> 00:10:52.350 Pat McGough: Oh he's available to respond. 59 00:10:52.740 --> 00:11:04.740 Chelsea King: Okay, and I think one thing that's coming up for me when I i'm going to open the floor before I jump into my questions but i'm personally going to refrain from making assumptions about motivations. 60 00:11:05.520 --> 00:11:14.160 Chelsea King: And that'll just be the spirit, by which I pose some of my questions and comments, but with that i'd like to open the floor to my fellow board members. 61 00:11:16.380 --> 00:11:17.850 Chelsea King: If anybody wants to jump in. 62 00:11:22.800 --> 00:11:26.490 Chelsea King: If if not i'm happy go i'm trying to read your faces and. 63 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:32.550 Chelsea King: Okay can't tell if nobody's going for their mute button are raising their hand all right. 64 00:11:33.570 --> 00:11:34.140 Chelsea King: um. 65 00:11:36.630 --> 00:11:49.050 Chelsea King: I think it would be helpful for me just to kind of reflect it back in late layman's terms, I mean i'm a board member but i'm simply really a member of the public, representing a parent in the district. 66 00:11:51.120 --> 00:12:02.010 Chelsea King: And then I have just a couple of questions so if i'm hearing you correctly back when you began the timeline and early. 67 00:12:03.870 --> 00:12:12.300 Chelsea King: There wasn't initially indication that the city did not necessarily have the funds to purchase often lander. 68 00:12:13.410 --> 00:12:13.860 Pat McGough: skirt. 69 00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:20.850 Chelsea King: Therefore, the board, made a decision to get an appraisal and sell it on the market, which is. 70 00:12:22.170 --> 00:12:24.750 Chelsea King: Common it's it's precedent it. 71 00:12:26.850 --> 00:12:42.360 Chelsea King: The appraisal came back a 6.5 million, and I assume at that time, when that appraisal came back that that information became public that the the city and the public and everybody knew that that was the appraisal. 72 00:12:43.500 --> 00:12:44.160 Pat McGough: that's correct. 73 00:12:44.370 --> 00:12:44.700 Okay. 74 00:12:46.620 --> 00:12:53.760 Chelsea King: And then I was on the board when we started to hear people say that they wanted to save often lander. 75 00:12:54.360 --> 00:13:05.460 Chelsea King: The district had allowed Community organizations to use it for fields for some time and so people wanted to keep it as fields, so they expressed a lot of interest to the district that we. 76 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:23.520 Chelsea King: not sell it on the market, in which case we then said okay we'll enter into this agreement with the city of Westland under you know good faith, the number is out there, everybody knows that the city asked that it'd be protected as a park. 77 00:13:25.710 --> 00:13:28.590 Pat McGough: We can, to be clear, we. 78 00:13:30.030 --> 00:13:38.970 Pat McGough: condition the city that if they were interested in making the purchase that it would be a part, it would be for a park years. 79 00:13:39.090 --> 00:13:47.550 Chelsea King: Okay, I guess the intent of that on the behalf of the Board was that that was what the Community was asking for, and so we were responding to Community demand. 80 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:56.640 Chelsea King: by selling the property by delaying a cell really to provide it to go before the voters therefore we're meeting public demand. 81 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:07.650 Chelsea King: To keep it as field or park or whatever all right, and so, then um I guess my question that I you answer one of them just by me kind of asked you know clearing that out. 82 00:14:08.400 --> 00:14:21.060 Chelsea King: The last thing you said was that we have these two resolutions in front of us with possible options that the board could take action on and then you talked about possible litigation. 83 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:34.890 Chelsea King: That there seems to be escalation or movement toward that and I agree wholeheartedly that that would be a great way to make sure that both students and citizens of bustling. 84 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:40.890 Chelsea King: don't win, regardless of who wins in court. 85 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:54.420 Chelsea King: Is, is it possible, regardless of what the board does today, but if we reach a place where this continues to escalate and it is not. 86 00:14:55.620 --> 00:15:15.060 Chelsea King: good faith is not happening can both parties with mutual consent stop and withdraw from the deal and allow the district to just move forward, as previously prior to this whole situation began would have. 87 00:15:16.260 --> 00:15:31.920 Pat McGough: We are your question is more a legal question that I would defer to our legal counsel, I believe that I know the answer, but I prefer to come from James of fees available. 88 00:15:36.270 --> 00:15:39.510 Pat McGough: Maybe he does not have the ability to. 89 00:15:39.810 --> 00:15:40.500 Chelsea King: I think. 90 00:15:40.590 --> 00:15:41.040 You know. 91 00:15:42.300 --> 00:15:46.800 Pat McGough: um, so I will respond, from what I have been told by. 92 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:48.960 Pat McGough: Essentially. 93 00:15:49.170 --> 00:15:50.880 Chelsea King: I see us mute has gone away. 94 00:15:51.450 --> 00:15:53.550 Pat McGough: James are you available. 95 00:15:54.450 --> 00:15:55.410 James Walker (via Phone): yeah can you hear me. 96 00:15:55.920 --> 00:15:57.330 Pat McGough: Yes, we can now. 97 00:15:58.050 --> 00:16:18.900 James Walker (via Phone): Look okay excellent excellent, thank you, thank you, Pat, and thanks to the board, I apologize for not being able to hop on electronically, but happy to happy to answer questions so director tank, thank you for the question The short answer is yes, if the if the city and the district. 98 00:16:20.040 --> 00:16:22.110 James Walker (via Phone): Had a mutual desire to. 99 00:16:23.940 --> 00:16:31.050 James Walker (via Phone): to terminate the PSA that certainly within the parties agreement or authority to do so. 100 00:16:33.060 --> 00:16:36.180 James Walker (via Phone): And there are a number of you know preconditions obviously to even. 101 00:16:37.260 --> 00:16:42.240 James Walker (via Phone): The fluctuating the sale, so the short answer your question is yes, the parties can step away. 102 00:16:45.630 --> 00:16:49.200 Chelsea King: Okay, so I just want to highlight that I don't you know. 103 00:16:51.630 --> 00:17:01.620 Chelsea King: When I look at these two resolutions and i'm thankful for them, because it gives me an idea of a next step in a situation that has just grown increasingly complicated. 104 00:17:02.970 --> 00:17:06.690 Chelsea King: And, to be honest, speaking just for myself. 105 00:17:08.190 --> 00:17:12.420 Chelsea King: They both rely on a fair amount of good faith going forward. 106 00:17:13.740 --> 00:17:16.800 Chelsea King: So I have reservations about both of them. 107 00:17:23.940 --> 00:17:31.020 Chelsea King: i'll stop there and see if any other board members have questions or comments yeah. 108 00:17:32.370 --> 00:17:38.160 Christy Thompson: Thank you, so I actually listened to the City Council meeting, a couple times. 109 00:17:38.580 --> 00:17:54.150 Christy Thompson: Just so I can hear what was said and what public comments for me so some of the questions that i'm going to have are kind of based off what i've heard if that's Okay, just to clarify some of the things we're talking about in that meeting for myself so i'm. 110 00:17:56.250 --> 00:18:01.110 Christy Thompson: i'm one of them was there was a lot of talk about the contract and. 111 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:10.710 Christy Thompson: How it was written and being written in such a way with the appraisal and i'm just wanting some clarification for myself, I heard. 112 00:18:11.250 --> 00:18:22.590 Christy Thompson: kind of what how they're interpreting the contract i'm just wondering if we could hear from if I could hear from our lawyer about that contract and specifically talking about the verbiage. 113 00:18:23.910 --> 00:18:32.100 Christy Thompson: When it has to do with the appraisal and the designation of the land does, that is, that makes sense that that's. 114 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:38.010 James Walker (via Phone): It does it does and. 115 00:18:39.750 --> 00:18:45.690 James Walker (via Phone): You know the purchase and sale agreement was set up for process where. 116 00:18:47.190 --> 00:18:51.180 James Walker (via Phone): The purchase price would be determined, based on an appraisal. 117 00:18:53.130 --> 00:18:58.680 James Walker (via Phone): Each party could select their own appraiser and you could reach a purchase price. 118 00:18:59.790 --> 00:19:11.040 James Walker (via Phone): With respect to two appraisals obtained from the city and the district district, respectively, or the district in the city could. 119 00:19:12.060 --> 00:19:27.840 James Walker (via Phone): mutually agree to one appraiser that will conduct the appraisal of the property that appraisal was to be performed based on the fair market value of the property, the appraiser is supposed to take into consideration. 120 00:19:29.910 --> 00:19:34.320 James Walker (via Phone): factors for that property like the park condition, because we had that. 121 00:19:35.370 --> 00:19:38.340 James Walker (via Phone): Part condition in the agreement as well. 122 00:19:39.450 --> 00:19:39.780 But. 123 00:19:41.280 --> 00:19:54.270 James Walker (via Phone): The underlying approach, if you will, as far as developing the appraisal report is to develop it based on an accumulation of factors and looking at that that value that fair market value i'm good answer your question. 124 00:19:57.150 --> 00:20:04.350 Christy Thompson: yeah and I guess what I would ask you, is, I feel like where we're running into conflict or disagreement is. 125 00:20:05.280 --> 00:20:13.800 Christy Thompson: We believe fair market value and they're looking at it is designated for a park there interpreted as it's got appraised. 126 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:24.180 Christy Thompson: For this it got the appraisal that came came because of what it's being that it's designated as a park and we're still going with that fair market value. 127 00:20:25.050 --> 00:20:38.190 Christy Thompson: that's what we're saying so i'm just trying to understand why they have a different term rotation than we do legally because that's not my that legal is not my wheelhouse so maybe I don't know if you can. 128 00:20:38.370 --> 00:20:40.140 Christy Thompson: go into that a little bit more. 129 00:20:41.040 --> 00:20:46.830 James Walker (via Phone): To her so there's there's a little bit of there's there's legal involved and then there's also the the. 130 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:57.120 James Walker (via Phone): kind of industry approach from an from an approval standpoint i'm not an appraiser, but I can comment on the on the legal side so. 131 00:20:59.220 --> 00:21:01.770 James Walker (via Phone): and looking at the preparation of that. 132 00:21:02.820 --> 00:21:03.450 James Walker (via Phone): phrasal. 133 00:21:04.860 --> 00:21:10.800 James Walker (via Phone): Both parties both sides have the understanding that the intent was. 134 00:21:12.030 --> 00:21:13.950 James Walker (via Phone): To have some comfort around the. 135 00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:17.880 James Walker (via Phone): Property remaining apart, because that is. 136 00:21:19.020 --> 00:21:21.510 James Walker (via Phone): The understanding of what the citizens. 137 00:21:22.620 --> 00:21:29.280 James Walker (via Phone): would like to see for for that for that 10 acres approximately 10 acres so there was certainly. 138 00:21:30.690 --> 00:21:42.780 James Walker (via Phone): Thought an expectation that the use of the property as parkland would be would be known and that the appraiser would know that going into the process, but when they're determining how much. 139 00:21:44.010 --> 00:21:54.960 James Walker (via Phone): to value the property at there are a number of kind of different tools in the tool belt that can be used to set up a methodology to set that appraisal. 140 00:21:56.010 --> 00:21:59.100 James Walker (via Phone): And so the methodology is where. 141 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:18.840 James Walker (via Phone): The disconnect the disagreement is between the party so on the on the district side we're looking at a fair market value methodology, the the appraisal report from Rome Rome analogy evaluation services impose what's called a hypothetical condition on the property which is. 142 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:30.990 James Walker (via Phone): A factor that can be used to set up a methodology for setting evaluation and that hypothetical condition is appears to be at least based on our review, thus far, the. 143 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:45.300 James Walker (via Phone): The essential our primary factor, the hypothetical condition being setting up the property as a park was the kind of dominant factor and setting the hundred and $20,000 value in that report. 144 00:22:51.570 --> 00:22:58.860 Christy Thompson: Okay, thank you and I have a few more questions, though, like direct director Wyatt go ahead and and ask him that, and I can, sir. 145 00:23:02.370 --> 00:23:12.330 Kirsten Wyatt (she/her): Thank you i'm So my question is currently you know before the word park was used is the current zoning. 146 00:23:13.560 --> 00:23:18.150 Kirsten Wyatt (she/her): The current zoning is for residential development it is that correct into our 10. 147 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:29.370 Pat McGough: It is our town, I believe that there has been talk that it is old are seven, I believe that to be correct, it is currently zoned are 10. 148 00:23:30.870 --> 00:23:43.170 Kirsten Wyatt (she/her): And I think where what I keep thinking about is you know, so we have this one word that was included because we wanted to be receptive to the Community, and to what we're hearing. 149 00:23:44.730 --> 00:23:55.350 Kirsten Wyatt (she/her): And because there was an assumption that you know that it will be used for parkland and then used in this appraisal. 150 00:23:55.920 --> 00:24:07.950 Kirsten Wyatt (she/her): That we're losing sight of the fact that you know up to 70 homes could be built on this property and it's just a reminder that, like yes when something becomes a park. 151 00:24:08.670 --> 00:24:16.860 Kirsten Wyatt (she/her): You know the uses decreased and that's you know, in my opinion, a good thing, but in this case we have to also consider the fact that. 152 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:21.330 Kirsten Wyatt (she/her): You know that the alternative and how the land is currently used. 153 00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:36.240 Kirsten Wyatt (she/her): What where it stands right now and and so to me It just seems like throwing that one word in there really takes a lot of power away from voters to determine, you know what do they want to see in their community. 154 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:45.570 Kirsten Wyatt (she/her): And I you know, Mr mcgough you had mentioned, you know that voters can decide if this is an investment they'd like to make voters can decide. 155 00:24:46.830 --> 00:24:55.320 Kirsten Wyatt (she/her): If this is something they want, they want to preserve as a park what i've observed about, especially the adjacent neighbors is they care deeply about this property. 156 00:24:55.860 --> 00:25:09.330 Kirsten Wyatt (she/her): And I feel like you know, making sure that the will of the voters is considered is an important part of this rather than just making assumptions, so I think that's that's what i've really been trying to work. 157 00:25:11.430 --> 00:25:13.230 Kirsten Wyatt (she/her): Sorry, and i'll end it with that. 158 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:22.980 Chelsea King: Okay, thanks director so just checking in we go back to base your Thompson okay. 159 00:25:24.090 --> 00:25:28.710 Christy Thompson: i'm quickly, before I get to my other one because i'm again, not a land use. 160 00:25:29.280 --> 00:25:42.960 Christy Thompson: Can you please tell me the difference between our 10 and our seven and, as I listened to that meeting last night, I felt like they kept using the term ours are seven that's how they were so, can you just let me know, then what the difference is. 161 00:25:43.350 --> 00:25:53.640 Pat McGough: or seven is typical for most residential lots around in virtually any city my own house is owned our seven it means. 162 00:25:54.300 --> 00:26:05.520 Pat McGough: In simple terms, you can have one dwelling for 10,000 square feet of land are seven, you can have one for 7000 square feet of land. 163 00:26:06.150 --> 00:26:24.630 Pat McGough: In general terms, the lower the number, the smaller the lot per individual home there's and i'm certainly no zoning expert, but there are different zoning classifications for multi family homes. 164 00:26:26.010 --> 00:26:33.660 Pat McGough: or large loss, but our 10 is a 10,000 foot designation her lot. 165 00:26:35.130 --> 00:26:36.930 Christy Thompson: Thank you and. 166 00:26:39.810 --> 00:26:48.330 Christy Thompson: So one other couple other questions I have and i'll start with this one, I know we discussed this in our meeting last Friday morning. 167 00:26:50.790 --> 00:26:53.880 Christy Thompson: chair King just spoke about some of the past. 168 00:26:56.340 --> 00:27:03.270 Christy Thompson: Land deals that we have done with the city and one of those was having to do with the property around sunset primary. 169 00:27:03.690 --> 00:27:18.930 Christy Thompson: And could you remind me what I know we talked about that land that we did a fair market value that could you do we have specific numbers that you could share with me just so I can kind of have this comparison of my mind of of what those numbers were. 170 00:27:20.100 --> 00:27:26.910 Christy Thompson: I know we just spoke of them generally being fair market value but but that's one curiosity, I do have what that looks like. 171 00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:32.790 Pat McGough: I can give pretty specific on the numbers that have been. 172 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:50.970 Pat McGough: recorded um there was 1.6 acres of sunset park directly adjacent to sunset primary school that was sold to the district for 480 $3,000. 173 00:27:51.570 --> 00:28:20.700 Pat McGough: That equates approximately two $301,000 per acre this was in the year 2020 or i'm sorry 2011 and so at that time that was fair market value about $300,000 an acre at the same time, the city purchased from the school district six point approximately 6.6 acres of. 174 00:28:22.590 --> 00:28:35.970 Pat McGough: property on on Parker road directly adjacent to tanner creek Park, the city that valuation was $2,007,000. 175 00:28:37.140 --> 00:28:47.190 Pat McGough: That also works out to $301,000 an acre while I don't know about whatever negotiating went on during that time. 176 00:28:48.270 --> 00:29:00.990 Pat McGough: I came as soon assume that there was an agreement, whatever we define it as the cost per acre will be equally valued for both properties. 177 00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:06.630 Pat McGough: It seems logical to draw that conclusion. 178 00:29:07.890 --> 00:29:14.610 Pat McGough: But I we have been able to research and find all those documents again before the deal was even. 179 00:29:17.970 --> 00:29:29.550 Pat McGough: drafted and signed by the city and the end the school district, the issue was placed on the ballot of the may 2010 election. 180 00:29:30.030 --> 00:29:47.460 Pat McGough: For the voters of the city of West land to approve and they did, and it was once that ballot title was passed that the city in the district entered into the formal agreement and actually executed the land exchange. 181 00:29:48.360 --> 00:29:53.220 Christy Thompson: And what did they use the 6.6 acres that they purchased on Parker road for. 182 00:29:53.880 --> 00:30:05.880 Pat McGough: I I would have to defer to the city, I only recall some of the uses that were being talked about at the time remember, they were we didn't have a new police station there and. 183 00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:17.100 Pat McGough: I but really I would have to defer to the city on what their intent for that property was I I don't know all of their. 184 00:30:18.840 --> 00:30:21.120 Pat McGough: uses they may have had mind. 185 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:30.930 Christy Thompson: Okay, thank you and then one other question I have in this is just because I, I noticed it came up in some I know if they were Facebook comments or some public comments that were made. 186 00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:48.450 Christy Thompson: I just think there might be some misinformation out there about land banking and the purpose of land baking and what rights that the district has with land banking so i'm wondering if you could speak to that um you know, the purpose of it. 187 00:30:49.620 --> 00:30:56.220 Christy Thompson: And how it's you know supposed to be used so that the public has the correct information on that. 188 00:30:57.330 --> 00:31:08.010 Pat McGough: Certainly I can I can go back historically and identify property that the district kids purchased long before. 189 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:22.500 Pat McGough: um any use was determined for it going all the way back to Wilson ville high school that property was purchased approximately 20 years before we built the school, along with excellent creek. 190 00:31:24.030 --> 00:31:36.390 Pat McGough: boons ferry primary was purchased approximately five years before the current middle school on new 18 creek middle school at dollar street. 191 00:31:36.810 --> 00:31:47.880 Pat McGough: That property has been under district ownership for 30 years what the district does is try and on look with the long range planning committee. 192 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:57.090 Pat McGough: Both city projections of growth metro and they try and predict where growth will happen, and when. 193 00:31:57.930 --> 00:32:07.410 Pat McGough: And the idea of the land bank is to purchase the property number one where it's certainly cheaper than it would be at the time, you want to build a school. 194 00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:24.120 Pat McGough: But as areas develop larger parcels get harder to find in the right location, so the purpose is to try and anticipate where growth and we'll be in by parcels of land. 195 00:32:24.600 --> 00:32:36.480 Pat McGough: big enough to accommodate the school that may be planned they're typically that's 10 acres for primary school 20 acres for a middle school and 40 acres, for I school. 196 00:32:37.380 --> 00:32:52.440 Pat McGough: And so that's been the purpose of the land bake I will say that it is noteworthy that of the last five land purchases, that the district is made that i'm aware of. 197 00:32:53.010 --> 00:33:10.860 Pat McGough: We have been approached by the potential seller, we were not actively looking for property in those areas, but once that offer came to us, we evaluated that they would be good purchases and we made them. 198 00:33:12.060 --> 00:33:17.310 Pat McGough: And that is why, having a funding balance in the land bank. 199 00:33:18.600 --> 00:33:27.240 Pat McGough: Budget is so important, it allows the district, to take advantage of those opportunities when they present themselves. 200 00:33:28.950 --> 00:33:38.310 Christy Thompson: And is there anything that says that we aren't allowed to make money let you know we buy land thinking that we are going to you know it, just in case and then. 201 00:33:38.970 --> 00:33:45.510 Christy Thompson: And then we determine that it we're not going to use it for school is that is there some stipulation that says we can't make money. 202 00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:50.070 Pat McGough: I not a legal expert, but I don't believe there is. 203 00:33:51.210 --> 00:33:55.920 Pat McGough: us, that was a rhetorical question, but I would defer to James. 204 00:33:59.430 --> 00:34:03.300 James Walker (via Phone): you're you're correct that there, there is not a. 205 00:34:04.650 --> 00:34:07.440 James Walker (via Phone): prohibition on the district being able to. 206 00:34:08.940 --> 00:34:13.140 James Walker (via Phone): realize the game on the sail away. 207 00:34:18.180 --> 00:34:20.400 Christy Thompson: Okay, I think that what all my questions. 208 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:26.490 Chelsea King: Thank you, I have a one question that might be a nice segue and then, and then I think that will be my last question um. 209 00:34:29.460 --> 00:34:45.960 Chelsea King: So over the years, the district has strategically purchased and sold land has created a line item in the budget for land banking funds that is utilized for this type of perfect purpose. 210 00:34:46.590 --> 00:35:03.000 Chelsea King: If a school district has not been doing that and doesn't have that those funds available, and they come into a situation where they need to make a purchase does that money come from the general fund or they just not allowed to make a purchase or how does the budget work. 211 00:35:04.170 --> 00:35:12.480 Pat McGough: Before it would have options that again I would only tell you what I generally know if there weren't money. 212 00:35:13.290 --> 00:35:30.450 Pat McGough: Set aside in the operating budget that is one avenue, you could put forward a ballot measure for a bond request ask the voters to come up with you know to approve on for the value of the property. 213 00:35:32.520 --> 00:35:37.290 Chelsea King: But sounds like if need be, a district either use their operating budget. 214 00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:47.250 Chelsea King: Which is fine Center generally used to like hire teachers and by curriculum, or they could go through this process of putting it before the voters, in which case they're also. 215 00:35:47.520 --> 00:36:02.040 Chelsea King: Waiting for a period of time, while market forces are acting on the property, much like a district has been subjected to, since we decided to suspend this at the 6.5 million meanwhile the market has done its thing. 216 00:36:03.120 --> 00:36:03.960 Chelsea King: On this property. 217 00:36:05.220 --> 00:36:05.610 Chelsea King: Okay. 218 00:36:06.210 --> 00:36:17.670 Pat McGough: Correct there is also, and I want to be complete in response to your question, there is always the option to set up a private. 219 00:36:19.200 --> 00:36:24.540 Pat McGough: contract with the seller to receive payments over time within first. 220 00:36:25.560 --> 00:36:34.110 Chelsea King: yeah okay so having the money there historically has allowed the district to be somewhat nimble when district has become available. 221 00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:49.140 Chelsea King: Since i've been just some recent purchases that i've been on the board, we purchased well, maybe I can just it, are there any other questions or, should I just share kind of where i'm landing with my thinking okay Oh yes, directors. 222 00:36:52.710 --> 00:37:01.860 Kelly Sloop: So I just um I have a question in regards to resolution a, which is where we would take out. 223 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:03.450 Kelly Sloop: The. 224 00:37:05.250 --> 00:37:08.430 Kelly Sloop: term park designation. 225 00:37:10.290 --> 00:37:15.600 Kelly Sloop: So if we do that and present that to the city and then they have the option of. 226 00:37:17.550 --> 00:37:23.400 Kelly Sloop: present it to the to the voters to see what they want to do with the land and then. 227 00:37:24.510 --> 00:37:31.230 Kelly Sloop: The will of the voters is to not continue to say to us that property for often lander field. 228 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:37.410 Kelly Sloop: offer there is their property or facilities that the district. 229 00:37:38.460 --> 00:37:41.700 Kelly Sloop: has available for baseball fields or. 230 00:37:43.740 --> 00:37:47.430 Kelly Sloop: soccer fields that can replace some of that loss. 231 00:37:48.480 --> 00:38:01.140 Pat McGough: we've been in conversation with youth groups in Westland and the general areas some with Wilson bill about the availability of district property to offset. 232 00:38:02.490 --> 00:38:06.090 Pat McGough: Those fields should they become something else. 233 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:24.510 Pat McGough: And the district has made all of our facilities available to youth groups there likely is only a few select locations that could accommodate one or perhaps two of the fields that would be lost. 234 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:42.690 Pat McGough: That we have no facility that could compensate for 10 acres of property, but there are some, for instance at at creek that could be improved to meet the standard that they would like to see to have youth baseball, for instance. 235 00:38:43.830 --> 00:38:49.080 Pat McGough: But there is not one single location that could accommodate all of them. 236 00:38:53.310 --> 00:38:55.620 Chelsea King: All right, any further questions directors loop. 237 00:38:57.120 --> 00:38:57.540 Okay. 238 00:39:00.210 --> 00:39:06.420 Chelsea King: All right, well, maybe if there's no further questions I can kind of lay out a little bit of what i'm thinking and see. 239 00:39:07.590 --> 00:39:12.870 Chelsea King: that drives us toward some version of a conclusion this meeting. 240 00:39:15.330 --> 00:39:26.490 Chelsea King: One thing I bring with me to every single board meeting that I go to is that i'm my my primary role is to make decisions on behalf of nearly 10,000 students. 241 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:36.480 Chelsea King: that's why I am here their students who go to schools in Westland and their students who go to school and Wilson bell I make decisions for all of them. 242 00:39:37.980 --> 00:39:52.170 Chelsea King: I also know that when we build schools, as you are articulating there's fields and facilities, when we build schools, we build spaces for our communities, I know that also to be very true. 243 00:39:53.730 --> 00:39:59.820 Chelsea King: i've served for several years on the long range planning committee as the liaison the board liaison. 244 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:11.580 Chelsea King: What I learned from being there is that we have, we have a history in this district of being making wise choices, the buying and selling property we've been strategic. 245 00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:19.260 Chelsea King: And that's set us up for some pretty good success we just recently bought a piece of land adjacent across the street from Westland high school. 246 00:40:20.790 --> 00:40:21.870 Chelsea King: To provide parking. 247 00:40:23.730 --> 00:40:31.140 Chelsea King: We bought that a fair market value to provide looking to respond to Community interest increase parking there. 248 00:40:32.640 --> 00:40:47.280 Chelsea King: We also bought land that's adjacent to the district office to respond to the growth that we're experiencing the need to not park on Stafford the need to be able to accommodate our increase the size of our staff when they gather we bought a fair market value. 249 00:40:48.900 --> 00:41:00.690 Chelsea King: And you know I can't help it feel a little like we do need to be strategic and business oriented and our decisions, but also we are providing an education to our students and we're doing it in a time of. 250 00:41:01.890 --> 00:41:05.310 Chelsea King: we're doing really complicated demanding work. 251 00:41:06.600 --> 00:41:10.830 Chelsea King: And we're adding this which I think leads me to my next point of. 252 00:41:13.830 --> 00:41:30.510 Chelsea King: i'm willing to pass one of these resolutions My preference would be toward the first resolution a and I can explain why i'm but i'm hesitant to extend good faith that that will be executed, the way we intend for it to be executed. 253 00:41:31.710 --> 00:41:42.330 Chelsea King: My hesitancy isn't dragging this out complicated things revisiting this time and time again, while things turn toward litigation. 254 00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:54.270 Chelsea King: So that's my hesitance I would say, I personally speaking on behalf of myself with support getting out of this deal now because I think it's demonstrated that this is not. 255 00:41:55.470 --> 00:41:58.830 Chelsea King: Based on what's been happening so far it's going to go well in the future. 256 00:42:00.540 --> 00:42:04.710 Chelsea King: I can be optimistic and hopeful that i'm wrong there and that it could get better. 257 00:42:06.060 --> 00:42:10.080 Chelsea King: I don't support option B, because it drags it out too long. 258 00:42:12.450 --> 00:42:15.600 Chelsea King: I don't know why, why would trust that option. 259 00:42:16.650 --> 00:42:31.560 Chelsea King: option A I feel like is a little more solid and not the least states the fair market value price and keeps us moving toward of resolution on this sooner rather than later. 260 00:42:32.550 --> 00:42:43.380 Chelsea King: So that's on the cards that's what i'm thinking i'm happy to hear what other board members are thinking see if there's emotion, or if we're taking action with them, I be. 261 00:42:49.050 --> 00:43:02.850 Christy Thompson: Checking I would be in agreement with you, I i'm more apt to i'm more interested in the first resolution as well, and one thing that just came to my mind, and I apologize for asking this now, but um. 262 00:43:03.780 --> 00:43:12.600 Christy Thompson: I feel like to there i'm just wondering, Dr lightly, could you state I think there's some confusion in our Community as well about. 263 00:43:13.650 --> 00:43:26.550 Christy Thompson: The job of the district, and the job of cities as far as we educate cities build parts, but we also allow i'm just wanted to you could speak to that. 264 00:43:27.330 --> 00:43:42.810 Christy Thompson: Just a little bit does, that is what i'm asking make you know so so under people understand like what our purpose as a district is I mean what's our mission as a district, as far as you know, toward this Community. 265 00:43:44.670 --> 00:43:48.360 Christy Thompson: Education versus providing parks versus. 266 00:43:50.130 --> 00:43:51.060 Christy Thompson: Does that make sense. 267 00:43:52.710 --> 00:43:57.570 Kathy Ludwig: yeah I I think you you're you're in you're in that articulation. 268 00:43:57.690 --> 00:43:59.880 Christy Thompson: And I just want you to articulate. 269 00:44:00.870 --> 00:44:10.650 Kathy Ludwig: I think chair King spoke to that as well that, while our primary mission our charge our community by the Oregon Department of Education is that. 270 00:44:11.040 --> 00:44:16.680 Kathy Ludwig: public schools setup educational institutions that we have schools that educate students. 271 00:44:17.430 --> 00:44:25.320 Kathy Ludwig: We could stay siloed in that technical definition, but the reality is also that schools, become the hub of a community. 272 00:44:26.130 --> 00:44:34.200 Kathy Ludwig: That people gather out of school for an event that the school facilities become available for Community activities. 273 00:44:34.740 --> 00:44:42.990 Kathy Ludwig: That different organizations at times rent the facilities, whether their churches for nonprofit organizations. 274 00:44:43.950 --> 00:44:54.480 Kathy Ludwig: And that there is this underlying belief that when schools thrive and these locations, so that the Community thrives. 275 00:44:55.020 --> 00:45:11.970 Kathy Ludwig: And so I would also say that you could say that for the city that the city also has a responsibility to care for Community and that's why we've been such good partners is that we've we've worked hard to to not silo our organizations, but to see. 276 00:45:13.200 --> 00:45:27.900 Kathy Ludwig: Where we can collaborate, where we we serve the same constituents we serve the same community and as much as we can work together that benefits the taxpayers, because the tax basis the same. 277 00:45:28.710 --> 00:45:40.080 Kathy Ludwig: And so we don't try and set things up to be us versus them it has had a lot we've had a long history of being a we together. 278 00:45:40.620 --> 00:45:57.120 Kathy Ludwig: And I think you could point to the recent January equity summit where this city staff city Community members and the district all came together around a learning that would benefit everybody. 279 00:45:58.410 --> 00:45:59.340 Kathy Ludwig: And you know that's what. 280 00:46:00.540 --> 00:46:08.700 Kathy Ludwig: You know sociology tells us as well that a thriving community has thriving schools, but also a thriving network of. 281 00:46:09.630 --> 00:46:20.430 Kathy Ludwig: city resources connecting also to school resources, so we it's a mutual benefit, when we can come together and I think that's why. 282 00:46:21.270 --> 00:46:36.570 Kathy Ludwig: You know, from the very beginning, these conversations had that strong assumption based within them, that these conversations had good faith and historical precedence of how this partnership worked and how we understood. 283 00:46:37.590 --> 00:46:42.570 Kathy Ludwig: each other going into this agreement that that had value and merit and integrity to it. 284 00:46:43.980 --> 00:46:45.000 Kathy Ludwig: So i'll pause there. 285 00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:47.340 Thank you. 286 00:46:54.150 --> 00:46:55.800 Chelsea King: Alright, so I think. 287 00:46:58.380 --> 00:47:05.160 Chelsea King: Our options before us, or that we have two resolutions we can certainly have a motion on one of them. 288 00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:13.710 Chelsea King: If there's an alternative idea that somebody wants to propose these two resolutions do not preclude that. 289 00:47:14.790 --> 00:47:17.640 Chelsea King: But they're just helpful to us to know some pathways. 290 00:47:24.420 --> 00:47:35.190 Chelsea King: i'm just looking at my fellow board members, because i'm just need some form of feedback on if I should keep talking and and decide the next action or someone's got something. 291 00:47:35.700 --> 00:47:37.560 Christy Thompson: i'm happy to make a motion chair king. 292 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.530 Christy Thompson: Okay, if you feel like we're ready for it. 293 00:47:40.860 --> 00:47:46.260 Chelsea King: I think, so I mean we've been talking about it for 15 minutes, this is our second meeting of the past few days. 294 00:47:48.870 --> 00:47:57.180 Christy Thompson: So I make a motion that we pass resolution number 2021 dash 10 off and land or field purchase and sale agreement amendment. 295 00:47:59.190 --> 00:48:02.340 Christy Thompson: And do you need more specifics i'm looking down for. 296 00:48:04.890 --> 00:48:13.260 Christy Thompson: And it would be the board authorizing the agreement to be amended to remove the condition to make the chapter 11 designation upon the property. 297 00:48:15.270 --> 00:48:18.120 Christy Thompson: Is that the specification that that we need okay. 298 00:48:20.520 --> 00:48:21.240 Kelly Sloop: I second. 299 00:48:23.790 --> 00:48:31.860 Chelsea King: All right, vice chair Thompson made a motion and director sloop made the second, is there any further discussion before we vote on this. 300 00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:42.420 Chelsea King: Alright, I am going to say that I will vote yes. 301 00:48:43.830 --> 00:48:44.910 Chelsea King: cautiously. 302 00:48:46.050 --> 00:48:54.540 Chelsea King: in good faith that i'm what was intended to happen with a fair market value appraisal and the the. 303 00:48:55.680 --> 00:49:01.290 Chelsea King: purchase price being 6,500,000 or another fair market appraisal. 304 00:49:02.610 --> 00:49:07.110 Chelsea King: that's what i'm understanding is in this resolution but that's what i'm agreeing to. 305 00:49:08.370 --> 00:49:11.040 Chelsea King: In this resolution, although, yes, based on that. 306 00:49:13.470 --> 00:49:23.520 Kelly Sloop: Is there going to be a another appraisal needed or is this going to be based on the 6.5 from April. 307 00:49:27.210 --> 00:49:27.840 Chelsea King: Yes, path. 308 00:49:29.670 --> 00:49:33.480 Pat McGough: Resolution currently used uses the April. 309 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.130 Pat McGough: Resolution as the purchase price number. 310 00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:49.320 Pat McGough: There is no opportunity there's no time left to get a second appraisal before valid measure deadlines are upon the city. 311 00:49:51.210 --> 00:50:00.360 Chelsea King: So what this and again layman's terms here i'm not a lawyer i'm not a city staff i'm not a land broker person i'm not a real estate agent. 312 00:50:00.630 --> 00:50:14.250 Chelsea King: What I understand this to be saying is that the Board is agreeing to allow the city to purchase this, to put it on the bond the next I think it'd be in May or whenever whenever it would be the next time that they need to do that to get it passed. 313 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.000 Chelsea King: And we're removing the park language so they can do. 314 00:50:19.290 --> 00:50:32.130 Chelsea King: whatever they want with it it's up to them and their city of Westland residents and that we're agreeing that the price would be what the appraisal was initially we all were operating off of which is the 6,500,000. 315 00:50:32.820 --> 00:50:34.080 Chelsea King: that's correct, I mean. 316 00:50:34.620 --> 00:50:35.790 Pat McGough: To be clear. 317 00:50:37.620 --> 00:50:47.430 Pat McGough: If the board passes this resolution in only presents the city, the option to reopen our. 318 00:50:48.570 --> 00:50:56.880 Pat McGough: conversation, and perhaps amend it does not amend the PSA all by itself. 319 00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:00.780 Pat McGough: We would need the city to agree to those. 320 00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:01.680 Chelsea King: In. 321 00:51:01.830 --> 00:51:04.230 Pat McGough: The modify the purchase and sales agreement. 322 00:51:05.640 --> 00:51:16.560 Chelsea King: And I would say just with that I don't know what's going on in the city I don't have communications with people you know who are on the City Council or the city staff just talk with you all here. 323 00:51:17.670 --> 00:51:29.520 Chelsea King: If the will for the city is does not exist to move forward in good faith, then perhaps we need to consider mutually consenting to stop. 324 00:51:34.860 --> 00:51:44.640 Christy Thompson: And pat i'm assuming they can once if this passes today and then it's presented to the city, they can choose to reject it correct. 325 00:51:45.180 --> 00:51:45.600 Christy Thompson: And then. 326 00:51:46.470 --> 00:51:49.620 Christy Thompson: And so, if they do, where are we at. 327 00:51:52.830 --> 00:51:57.450 Pat McGough: I will report back to the superintendent and the board their response. 328 00:51:59.460 --> 00:52:15.450 Christy Thompson: And does this need to be again the deadline, just to clarify for all of this in order to get it on the ballot would be Monday February 14 is when it would have to be they would have to agree to this by the 14th. 329 00:52:16.140 --> 00:52:39.720 Pat McGough: that's correct they they might have a day or two, but they are required to have newspaper notifications about on valid language, there are a lot of things that happened before the actual filing deadline that the city is required to perform and so really the 14th is the deadline. 330 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:45.450 Chelsea King: And I think we just mean and now. 331 00:52:47.310 --> 00:52:51.210 Chelsea King: it's up to them what they do we don't know what they'll do and so. 332 00:52:53.790 --> 00:53:04.590 Chelsea King: I appreciate us all the preparation that has been going into a meeting like this and holding it all in public. 333 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:16.710 Chelsea King: So that the details can be clear, and thank you to legal staff, Mr Walker for being present and are my board members comfortable calling the vote. 334 00:53:19.170 --> 00:53:19.980 Chelsea King: Okay, great. 335 00:53:23.250 --> 00:53:24.840 Chelsea King: Now speaking I. 336 00:53:25.860 --> 00:53:26.910 Kelly Douglas: christy Thompson. 337 00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:29.160 Kelly Douglas: I Kelly slope. 338 00:53:29.730 --> 00:53:31.710 Kelly Douglas: I kitchen when. 339 00:53:32.460 --> 00:53:34.050 Kelly Douglas: I thank you. 340 00:53:36.150 --> 00:53:44.850 Chelsea King: All right, thank you, fellow board members for making time on such short notice again and i'm Thank you Dr Ludwig for your work and Mr mcgough. 341 00:53:46.290 --> 00:53:46.800 Chelsea King: All right. 342 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:48.660 Chelsea King: we're done. 343 00:53:49.020 --> 00:53:50.100 Meetings a journal. 344 00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:51.930 Pat McGough: Have a good evening. 345 00:53:52.470 --> 00:53:53.010 Kathy Ludwig: Thank you.